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 Post subject: Swingtipping
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:09 pm 
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Well gents as the title suggests I'm looking for tips on swingtipping.

I have tried it a few times recently but never can decide quite when I aught to be striking? Quick sharp tugs or slow lift/drop backs?
The former I don't seem to be quite quick enough, the latter don't seem to be materialising.
Terminal tackle? Is there anything which is particularly associated with this method?

Thanks in advance,

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 Post subject: Re: Swingtipping
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:46 pm 
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Depending on the starting position of the swing tip I rgard ant unusual movement as a positive bite. A paternoster style leger set up always seems to be better in terms of success, I'm not sure why but I've caught small skimmers and Carp to 10lb using the same set up.


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 Post subject: Re: Swingtipping
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:26 pm 
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What sort of size lead is best for still water swingtipping?

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 Post subject: Re: Swingtipping
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 Post subject: Re: Swingtipping
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:28 pm 
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I saw that on the other thread Niceroach, more pocket money disappearing me thinks!

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 Post subject: Re: Swingtipping
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:39 pm 
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Ive used Swingtips quite a lot and heres what works for me most of the time:

I dont like leads that are too light, if the waters not extremely shallow and the fish extremely cautious i go with a 1/2 oz minimum, rather 1 oz. The light lead seems to get moved during the bite and that for me results in worse indication.
I also dont like swing tips that are too light if not absolutely necessary. Even my favourite, kind of heavyish swintip is more sensitive then a quiver tip in my humble opinion, but the lighter tips give me to much indication so that i tend to hit early.
The short hard pulls are usually small fish in my waters and i rarely strike them (not much sense in it anyway as you say). The slower and steadier movements are mostly bigger fish and should normally result in fish. I strike when the tip shows a distinct steady movement (i put my hand on the rod when any indication shows).

Dont know if that helps, as said, just my experiences.

Oh, and what helped me alot was to keep baits and hooks on the smallish side to ensure that the fish got it all in when you strike.
For example, on a float i might use a big worm on a size 4 or even 2 hook for carp, while on the swintip id rather use half a big worm or a small worm on a size6-8 hook.

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 Post subject: Re: Swingtipping
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:44 pm 
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Thank you Grubenreiner, it sounds like I may have just no getting positive bite then rather than missing them.
With regard to small hooks and baits, I rarely use a hook bigger than 14 so at least that's not the problem.
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 Post subject: Re: Swingtipping
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I'd recommend keeping the swing tip low, at least 45 degrees in the opposite direction of the line, with the line not loose, nor tight but somewhere in between. When to strike really depends on what species & size is nibbling. Personally, I would strike only after a definite pull, at an angle level with line. An additional point to note is that a swing tip is sensitive to the smallest breeze.

A full swing (when / if it happens) is a pure joy.


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 Post subject: Re: Swingtipping
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:02 pm 
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Swing tips are every bit as good as a quiver tip on still waters and even slow moving rivers.

To counter breezy conditions add a small length of lead soldering wire to the tip. I normally use 1 oz leads or medium sized feeders fished paternoster style.

My swingtips have a stiffish hinge to avoid tangles.

Quick pulls are nearly always smaller fish, I've found Bream / Tench / Carp produce slow steady lifts or dropbacks. Also a really good method for bigger Perch.


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 Post subject: Re: Swingtipping
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:26 pm 
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It looks like your thoughts are similar to my own.
One thing not mentioned is, and I'm plundering the memory banks here!
In breezy conditions I seem to remember setting the tip so it was just submerged under the water? Would this be right?

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