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Re: Crucian Carp or Brown Goldfish?

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:33 am
by Dave Burr
Mutants! I would not fish for them, or Koi, or Orfe, and I see nothing desirable about them or their stupid great shubunkin fins.

But that's just me :Sun:

Re: Crucian Carp or Brown Goldfish?

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:55 pm
by Duckett
Dave Burr wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:33 am Mutants! I would not fish for them, or Koi, or Orfe, and I see nothing desirable about them or their stupid great shubunkin fins.

But that's just me :Sun:
:Hahaha: :Hahaha: :Hahaha: I was counting the hours Dave! I don’t think anyone actually tries to catch what I call Frankenfish but they are even less discriminating than Carp when it comes to taking bait and techniques! My brother caught the Shubunkin finned one up in the water after decent Rudd!

Phil

Re: Crucian Carp or Brown Goldfish?

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:22 pm
by Phil Arnott
Tengisgol wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:18 am
Phil Arnott wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:34 pm I've seen brown goldfish in some long established ornamental lakes. As far as I'm aware a goldfish stock will eventually revert to brown specimens over time.

What's this one below though - Brown Goldfish or Gibel Carp?

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Hi Phil, if this is a regular haunt try and get some really clear mat photos with fins extended. If we can then count scales on the lateral line and rays on the fins we could have a stab. It appears to have an interesting convex dorsal in that photo.
The picture was taken quite some time ago 1999. There were three fish like this and they kept themselves separate and didn't associate with the crucians in the pond. I've edited the picture as best I could to try and give more detail. The scale count along the lateral line is 29 possibly 30 with a scale near the tail missing. It weighed 2lb 3oz.

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Re: Crucian Carp or Brown Goldfish?

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:47 pm
by MWithell
I've managed to get more of the fish out of the pond. One of the brown fish is a fantail! I'm sure I never put fantails in the pond - just ordinary goldfish and shubunkins.

Re: Crucian Carp or Brown Goldfish?

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:50 pm
by Tengisgol
Phil Arnott wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:22 pm
Tengisgol wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:18 am
Phil Arnott wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:34 pm I've seen brown goldfish in some long established ornamental lakes. As far as I'm aware a goldfish stock will eventually revert to brown specimens over time.

What's this one below though - Brown Goldfish or Gibel Carp?

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Hi Phil, if this is a regular haunt try and get some really clear mat photos with fins extended. If we can then count scales on the lateral line and rays on the fins we could have a stab. It appears to have an interesting convex dorsal in that photo.
The picture was taken quite some time ago 1999. There were three fish like this and they kept themselves separate and didn't associate with the crucians in the pond. I've edited the picture as best I could to try and give more detail. The scale count along the lateral line is 29 possibly 30 with a scale near the tail missing. It weighed 2lb 3oz.

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Scale count combined with the convex dorsal would suggest a goldfish and crucian hybrid according to the EA/Angling Trust chart:

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https://anglingtrust.net/wp-content/upl ... _Guide.pdf

Re: Crucian Carp or Brown Goldfish?

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:21 pm
by Olly
A French Crucian!

Re: Crucian Carp or Brown Goldfish?

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:01 pm
by Phil Arnott
Thanks for the reply Tengisgol. I've had a look at pictures of Gibel Carp and they seem have a concave dorsal so crucian/goldfish cross looks most likely.

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