Carp skull: comparative anatomy
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Carp skull: comparative anatomy
Whilst out for a walk yesterday I found these two skulls within a few feet of each other on the bank of a large lake. I'm not an expert on skulls but I think one is that of a muntjac deer and the other is of a large carp! The lake is known to hold carp to over 50lb!
Can anyone judge just by the skull size how big this carp might have been when alive?
I'll now sterilise them before adding to my schools skull collection! It's just over 6" long and 4" wide so the actual head would have been bigger.
Can anyone judge just by the skull size how big this carp might have been when alive?
I'll now sterilise them before adding to my schools skull collection! It's just over 6" long and 4" wide so the actual head would have been bigger.
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Re: Carp skull: comparative anatomy
Are you sure that's a carp skull. It doesn't look like the ones I have seen. They usually look pretty intact just like a normal carp's head but without the flesh. Unfortunately I have only ever photographed the teeth, never the skull.
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Re: Carp skull: comparative anatomy
Looks like you have the bottom jaw that I 'm missing!
It's definitely from a fish and one can see the small eye sockets so it must be from a fish! And I know it's not from a pike because I have a pike skull! If it's not from a carp then it may be from a big bream and this lake does contain bigging!
It's definitely from a fish and one can see the small eye sockets so it must be from a fish! And I know it's not from a pike because I have a pike skull! If it's not from a carp then it may be from a big bream and this lake does contain bigging!
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Re: Carp skull: comparative anatomy
Top view of a common carp skull.
I think you have some of the upper bones. No idea of the size.
Not a fish was visible that first time I visited Beechmere; an utter
stillness brooded over the place and I felt the strange and sinister atmosphere which, so the story goes,
has been the cause of several suicides.’
BB – Confessions of a Carp Fisher
stillness brooded over the place and I felt the strange and sinister atmosphere which, so the story goes,
has been the cause of several suicides.’
BB – Confessions of a Carp Fisher
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Re: Carp skull: comparative anatomy
Thanks.
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Re: Carp skull: comparative anatomy
Not a fish was visible that first time I visited Beechmere; an utter
stillness brooded over the place and I felt the strange and sinister atmosphere which, so the story goes,
has been the cause of several suicides.’
BB – Confessions of a Carp Fisher
stillness brooded over the place and I felt the strange and sinister atmosphere which, so the story goes,
has been the cause of several suicides.’
BB – Confessions of a Carp Fisher
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Re: Carp skull: comparative anatomy
I wonder if those "eye sockets" aren't in fact hip sockets of some big bird - a goose, perhaps?
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Re: Carp skull: comparative anatomy
Fairly certain that is a pelvic bone. Probably from said deer.
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Re: Carp skull: comparative anatomy
That is how the carp skeletons have looked when I have seen them (unfortunately I have seen a few over the years) and when broken up and detached the head has usually still looked like a carp head as I said above. Also, there is usually the evidence of old carp scales around the area too as they seem to not rot down (obviously not if it was a leather though).Thanks for the link CA.Carp Artist wrote:http://www.ucl.ac.uk/museums-static/obl ... eleton.jpg
This link might help Santiago .
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Re: Carp skull: comparative anatomy
I think I have the answer here, as Luga said its the pelvic bone of the muntjac as can be seen to the right of the skull in this image