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You are talking about two different animals, the actions will be totally different.
Yes I like my lucky strike...it seems great for fish up to 5lb's. I have two John Wilson Avon's, a 1.25lb and 1.75lb both are travel versions. In terms of line rating/test curve where would the Wizard fit between these? I tend to use the 1.25lb one more with 6lb liner for my feeder work.Paul F wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:29 pmYou are talking about two different animals, the actions will be totally different.
The lucky strike is very popular rod on here, it was deemed to be a boys float rod, it is all built cane in 3 sections
The Wizard, another very popular is an allround leger/float rod, it has a whole cane butt, split cane middle & tip
I don't like to class them with a test curve, as they differ a lot, but I would say only 3/4lb for lines up to 6lbSlumption wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:43 amYes I like my lucky strike...it seems great for fish up to 5lb's. I have two John Wilson Avon's, a 1.25lb and 1.75lb both are travel versions. In terms of line rating/test curve where would the Wizard fit between these? I tend to use the 1.25lb one more with 6lb liner for my feeder work.Paul F wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:29 pmYou are talking about two different animals, the actions will be totally different.
The lucky strike is very popular rod on here, it was deemed to be a boys float rod, it is all built cane in 3 sections
The Wizard, another very popular is an allround leger/float rod, it has a whole cane butt, split cane middle & tip
Crucian The main concern is that of the ring style. It seems that the green stained Wizard's had the upright 'safety pin' type rings, and this is supported by the rod description in the Alcock's catalogues, 'Special upright' rings. Well, having carefully removed a ring ('High bells', badly corroded) it clearly shows where the original ring sat over the green stain. The whippings had a space remaining between them, consistent with a ring having a central gap between the legs, just like the removed ring. I probably haven't explained this very well but please bear with me...if the rod had been fitted with the 'safety pin' type rings, the marks left in the stain by the original whipping would remain, and would only have a very small central gap between the legs. Further, the feet on this type of ring sit to the sides of the blank, and there is no sign of this. It is very hard to believe that the rings, as fitted, are not original rings...I am aware that the later, gold label Wizard's were fitted with 'Bell's life' intermediates. Is it possible that this rod was a transitional model, still Green stained, but fitted with the later style of ring ? Please note that the rings fitted are not 'Bell's life', but 'Stand off Bell's life"...Allcock's description,from their 1938/39 catalogue, which proves that they were in use pre war.[/quote wrote:
I think that certainly a few of these early rods were fitted with stand off bells life rings.I am sure mine was before restoration as the old ring placements were obvious and on top of the rod sections.It may be that the cheaper ? paper clip rings were put on to make the rod cheaper than the "best"range which may have had the early bells rings and cork covered handle.The tip and butt rings on mine could be saved and are the same as yours.
Nobby wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:36 pm
I can see instantly what you mean about the small gap between ring fastening whippings, but that silk colour is nothing like yours!
Thanks Nobby, I didn't think I had explained myself well enough. The silk colour is actually very similar, must be my photo's.
I do have some similar rings made in a very thin and lightweight wire....but they are all the same size....you're welcome to them if you would like them? I shall try and find them and take a picture...I think they are in the loft....I may be gone some time.......
Thanks again, but I decided to fit replacement high bells.
Champ wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:29 amWell, thanks Champ, that's made my dayCrucian The main concern is that of the ring style. It seems that the green stained Wizard's had the upright 'safety pin' type rings, and this is supported by the rod description in the Alcock's catalogues, 'Special upright' rings. Well, having carefully removed a ring ('High bells', badly corroded) it clearly shows where the original ring sat over the green stain. The whippings had a space remaining between them, consistent with a ring having a central gap between the legs, just like the removed ring. I probably haven't explained this very well but please bear with me...if the rod had been fitted with the 'safety pin' type rings, the marks left in the stain by the original whipping would remain, and would only have a very small central gap between the legs. Further, the feet on this type of ring sit to the sides of the blank, and there is no sign of this. It is very hard to believe that the rings, as fitted, are not original rings...I am aware that the later, gold label Wizard's were fitted with 'Bell's life' intermediates. Is it possible that this rod was a transitional model, still Green stained, but fitted with the later style of ring ? Please note that the rings fitted are not 'Bell's life', but 'Stand off Bell's life"...Allcock's description,from their 1938/39 catalogue, which proves that they were in use pre war.[/quote wrote:
I think that certainly a few of these early rods were fitted with stand off bells life rings.I am sure mine was before restoration as the old ring placements were obvious and on top of the rod sections.It may be that the cheaper ? paper clip rings were put on to make the rod cheaper than the "best"range which may have had the early bells rings and cork covered handle.The tip and butt rings on mine could be saved and are the same as yours.![]()
I remain convinced that the rod was unrestored and that the original rings were indeed high bells life.
I have fitted replacement high bells rings, chromed unfortunately, because I had no 'bronzed' ones. Rewhipped in green silk to match the original inters. New whippings only, varnished sparingly in flat varnish. Butt and tip rings repaired and re-used.
Nothing polished, cleaned, or 'improved'. the rod looks every bit the old warrior, and I love it.
If only rods could talk...